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Well why have a Scottish Six? Why not have a completely regional news programme in *all* regions? You can't deny that BBC News at 6 has not only an England bias, but also a London bias. Surely if they want to change this for Scottish viewers, they should change it for us poor old Northeners who don't really give a flying fcuk about congestion charges in London etc.
PC
BBC North at Six then? 
I sympathise with you over the London-centric news, but the difference is that Scotland is an entirely different country, with different laws, a different education system, and even different languages. The north of England is still part of England.
Interesting to note that no-one from the other two countries has popped on calling for an hour long Newsline or Wales at Six - is that because it's not considered needed or because it wouldn't be feasible?
I sympathise with you over the London-centric news, but the difference is that Scotland is an entirely different country, with different laws, a different education system, and even different languages. The north of England is still part of England.
Interesting to note that no-one from the other two countries has popped on calling for an hour long Newsline or Wales at Six - is that because it's not considered needed or because it wouldn't be feasible?
GB
I am sure that BBC Scotland could sustain a so-called Scottish Six - it would be interesting to see how many in Scotland would still opt for the UK-wide news from London - but how could it sustain a full non-commercial public service broadcasting outfit on about four million (but falling) licence fee payers?
It would surely become a poor-man's Scottish version of RTE (and RTE takes a lot of its revenue from advertising, too, remember).
I don't know the details, but English licence fee payers plainly subsidise Northern Irish, Welsh and Scottish viewers and listeners, just as the Celtic parts of the UK enrich the whole of the UK's airwaves, including England, with talent and diversity that England could not muster alone.
It's a fair deal as it is, in my opinion.
It would surely become a poor-man's Scottish version of RTE (and RTE takes a lot of its revenue from advertising, too, remember).
I don't know the details, but English licence fee payers plainly subsidise Northern Irish, Welsh and Scottish viewers and listeners, just as the Celtic parts of the UK enrich the whole of the UK's airwaves, including England, with talent and diversity that England could not muster alone.
It's a fair deal as it is, in my opinion.
MS
Rather than not knowing the details, I'd say that you'd hit the substance spot on. Surly this is entirly it, that the UK benefits from any cultural influence which is not contrived out of the London economic region.
GavBelfast posted:
I don't know the details, but English licence fee payers plainly subsidise Northern Irish, Welsh and Scottish viewers and listeners, just as the Celtic parts of the UK enrich the whole of the UK's airwaves, including England, with talent and diversity that England could not muster alone.
It's a fair deal as it is, in my opinion.
It's a fair deal as it is, in my opinion.
Rather than not knowing the details, I'd say that you'd hit the substance spot on. Surly this is entirly it, that the UK benefits from any cultural influence which is not contrived out of the London economic region.
TV
Well no, not really. Wales only has devolved powers in education, agriculture, health etc. Nothing too major, so any more "Wales-centric" news isn't really needed -- the half-hour programme runs out of things to say often. There are plenty of politics etc programmes to go round.
Couple of people saying Scotland should have its own channel just because Wales has S4C -- well that doesn't really equate. The way S4C came about and its function are entirely different to Scotland.
There was over a decade of campaigning and demonstrating by belligerent activists, and the UK government eventually relented to the evident public demand. S4C doesn't show programmes of Welsh interest, it shows programmes in Welsh. If you don't speak the language, it's not very interesting.
Most people in Wales hate S4C [even though in some areas Welsh first language is nearly 100%]. It was ultra cheapo for the first 15 years, it timeshifts programmes into obscurity, popular C4 series are weeks behind, live programmes are well, not live. It's all v second-rate. And people here complain at BBC nations moving a programme back half an hour.
Analogue switch-off will make it entirely redundant anyway -- it's virtually given up already, going by some scheduling and its financial losses. More people have digital in Wales than anywhere else and can watch C4 -- hardly anyone watches S4C. The kids want to watch it when it's in the magazines, not next month.
The Gaelic thing is a non-starter, the language is at the level of extinction, 60 000 speakers, by last census information. The drive to turn that around [as Wales did years ago] doesn't seem to be there.
This week BBC Wales published its report saying more programmes than ever from Wales are networked, though you might not notice it. Regional contribution to network seems much healthier.
What *exactly* do supporters of this want to see? What is it that's not covered already in RPS, Newsnight Scotland, Sportscene etc? Will you honestly watch it? 2W runs for a couple of hours and still shows the same things over and over.
p_c_u_k posted:
Interesting to note that no-one from the other two countries has popped on calling for an hour long Newsline or Wales at Six - is that because it's not considered needed or because it wouldn't be feasible?
Well no, not really. Wales only has devolved powers in education, agriculture, health etc. Nothing too major, so any more "Wales-centric" news isn't really needed -- the half-hour programme runs out of things to say often. There are plenty of politics etc programmes to go round.
Couple of people saying Scotland should have its own channel just because Wales has S4C -- well that doesn't really equate. The way S4C came about and its function are entirely different to Scotland.
There was over a decade of campaigning and demonstrating by belligerent activists, and the UK government eventually relented to the evident public demand. S4C doesn't show programmes of Welsh interest, it shows programmes in Welsh. If you don't speak the language, it's not very interesting.
Most people in Wales hate S4C [even though in some areas Welsh first language is nearly 100%]. It was ultra cheapo for the first 15 years, it timeshifts programmes into obscurity, popular C4 series are weeks behind, live programmes are well, not live. It's all v second-rate. And people here complain at BBC nations moving a programme back half an hour.
Analogue switch-off will make it entirely redundant anyway -- it's virtually given up already, going by some scheduling and its financial losses. More people have digital in Wales than anywhere else and can watch C4 -- hardly anyone watches S4C. The kids want to watch it when it's in the magazines, not next month.
The Gaelic thing is a non-starter, the language is at the level of extinction, 60 000 speakers, by last census information. The drive to turn that around [as Wales did years ago] doesn't seem to be there.
This week BBC Wales published its report saying more programmes than ever from Wales are networked, though you might not notice it. Regional contribution to network seems much healthier.
What *exactly* do supporters of this want to see? What is it that's not covered already in RPS, Newsnight Scotland, Sportscene etc? Will you honestly watch it? 2W runs for a couple of hours and still shows the same things over and over.
PE
It's because it's not needed, and it's not needed for Scotland either.
What *is* needed is for RS to get a kick up the arse. Remember during the elections when they had david in the old studio standing up and Jackie going round and they used the big screen properly instead of just as a window? That was a much better show as it was more regional and stopped trying to be too "national news".
RS, whatever drivel about scotland being a nation and not a region can be said, is a regional show. It's not a main news bulletin as it doesn't do international news in the style of the six.
Of course the six also needs to stop being so disgustingly biased towards the south east but that'll never happen. London is fab and better than us scum in the north remember.
Pete
Founding member
p_c_u_k posted:
Interesting to note that no-one from the other two countries has popped on calling for an hour long Newsline or Wales at Six - is that because it's not considered needed or because it wouldn't be feasible?
It's because it's not needed, and it's not needed for Scotland either.
What *is* needed is for RS to get a kick up the arse. Remember during the elections when they had david in the old studio standing up and Jackie going round and they used the big screen properly instead of just as a window? That was a much better show as it was more regional and stopped trying to be too "national news".
RS, whatever drivel about scotland being a nation and not a region can be said, is a regional show. It's not a main news bulletin as it doesn't do international news in the style of the six.
Of course the six also needs to stop being so disgustingly biased towards the south east but that'll never happen. London is fab and better than us scum in the north remember.
GE
thegeek
Founding member
Because I didn't have control of the remote control last night, I ended up watching North Tonight and Reporting Scotland.
And I came to a couple of conclusions. First - RPS is actually pretty good. (try watching NT and RPS on the same night, you'll see what I mean) Secondly, look at the headline roundup at the end of the show. It's all the main stories from the Six, and RPS, but in an order that's more relavent to Scotland.
A Scottish Six could work, if it was all the stories from both programmes, but in a more relavent order.
In theory, it would also mean an end to a 5-minute VTs "world trade centre collapses, Scottish woman feared dead", or the like, at 6.30.
And it even makes a rather nice place for the mini-regions - leave the last 10 minutes or so for local opts, so the entire country isn't bothered by the 'car broken into on Orkney' type of story.
Makes sense, no?
And I came to a couple of conclusions. First - RPS is actually pretty good. (try watching NT and RPS on the same night, you'll see what I mean) Secondly, look at the headline roundup at the end of the show. It's all the main stories from the Six, and RPS, but in an order that's more relavent to Scotland.
A Scottish Six could work, if it was all the stories from both programmes, but in a more relavent order.
In theory, it would also mean an end to a 5-minute VTs "world trade centre collapses, Scottish woman feared dead", or the like, at 6.30.
And it even makes a rather nice place for the mini-regions - leave the last 10 minutes or so for local opts, so the entire country isn't bothered by the 'car broken into on Orkney' type of story.
Makes sense, no?
Last edited by thegeek on 22 July 2004 11:18am
TE
Why do Scotland Today cover UK and international stories on their 3pm bulletin? Have they always done this ? I realise that the reports outwith Scotland are done by ITN, but this only strenthens the call for a separate news programme in Scotland.
Views please. Which is better - Reporting Scotland or Scotland Today ?
Do Scotland Today cover stories from the area of Scotland covered by Border TV ?
Views please. Which is better - Reporting Scotland or Scotland Today ?
Do Scotland Today cover stories from the area of Scotland covered by Border TV ?
SCOTLAND TODAY IS BETTA 
LC
I'm sorry i don't know what you mean about NT and RPS?.NT serves the North Scotland region very well RPS does tend to concentrate more on the central belt their news coverage is a disgrace to the people of North Scotland .
thegeek posted:
Because I didn't have control of the remote control last night, I ended up watching North Tonight and Reporting Scotland.
And I came to a couple of conclusions. First - RPS is actually pretty good. (try watching NT and RPS on the same night, you'll see what I mean) Secondly, look at the headline roundup at the end of the show. It's all the main stories from the Six, and RPS, but in an order that's more relavent to Scotland.
A Scottish Six could work, if it was all the stories from both programmes, but in a more relavent order.
In theory, it would also mean an end to a 5-minute VTs "world trade centre collapses, Scottish woman feared dead", or the like, at 6.30.
And it even makes a rather nice place for the mini-regions - leave the last 10 minutes or so for local opts, so the entire country isn't bothered by the 'car broken into on Orkney' type of story.
Makes sense, no?
And I came to a couple of conclusions. First - RPS is actually pretty good. (try watching NT and RPS on the same night, you'll see what I mean) Secondly, look at the headline roundup at the end of the show. It's all the main stories from the Six, and RPS, but in an order that's more relavent to Scotland.
A Scottish Six could work, if it was all the stories from both programmes, but in a more relavent order.
In theory, it would also mean an end to a 5-minute VTs "world trade centre collapses, Scottish woman feared dead", or the like, at 6.30.
And it even makes a rather nice place for the mini-regions - leave the last 10 minutes or so for local opts, so the entire country isn't bothered by the 'car broken into on Orkney' type of story.
Makes sense, no?
I'm sorry i don't know what you mean about NT and RPS?.NT serves the North Scotland region very well RPS does tend to concentrate more on the central belt their news coverage is a disgrace to the people of North Scotland .