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NT
Night Thoughts
Neighbours. Cancelled by Seven Network, a hit after being picked up by Ten. (Pushing the rules here, granted.)

Two old sitcoms: The Likely Lads in the late 1960s (revived as Whatever Happened to The Likely Lads) and Till Death Us Do Part (In Sickness And In Health).

University Challenge was a low-key ITV series for years (maybe not even networked), now a BBC2 staple after a few years off.

The New Avengers, possibly - was the first big series for Joanna Lumley - although I couldn’t say if it was a big a hit as it’s predecessor in terms of ratings.
FL
Flux
Neighbours. Cancelled by Seven Network, a hit after being picked up by Ten. (Pushing the rules here, granted.)

Two old sitcoms: The Likely Lads in the late 1960s (revived as Whatever Happened to The Likely Lads) and Till Death Us Do Part (In Sickness And In Health).

University Challenge was a low-key ITV series for years (maybe not even networked), now a BBC2 staple after a few years off.

The New Avengers, possibly - was the first big series for Joanna Lumley - although I couldn’t say if it was a big a hit as it’s predecessor in terms of ratings.


There's also Men Behaving Badly , which wasn't a big hit for ITV when it first aired but was then picked up by the BBC who replaced Harry Enfield with Neil Morrissey and it really took off.

Ab Fab was not quite the same situation. It was a massive hit initially, winning BAFTAS from the word go, and it was Jennifer Saunders's choice to end the original run when she did whilst it was still in its prime. It was then also her decision to bring it back years later after another show she piloted with the same cast ( Mirrorball ) failed to capture the same magic. IMO The BBC would bite her hand off if she ever offered them any more at any time, even though the quality of the show has diminished with each revival. I'd also argue that the OP's claim that it was bigger the second time round isn't quite true. It was always big, I think the BBC just pushed it more as it went on as they knew by then it was a surefire hit. Jonathan Creek sits in the same category really - always big, and I'm sure David Renwick knows there'd be no question if he offered another new episode to the BBC.

For the Welsh amongst us, S4C's biggest ever sitcom C'mon Midffild was revived in 2004 - 10 years after the "final" episode aired. IIRC It got very mixed reviews despite the original series being universally celebrated.
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RL
Running Late
Flux posted:
Neighbours. Cancelled by Seven Network, a hit after being picked up by Ten. (Pushing the rules here, granted.)

Two old sitcoms: The Likely Lads in the late 1960s (revived as Whatever Happened to The Likely Lads) and Till Death Us Do Part (In Sickness And In Health).

University Challenge was a low-key ITV series for years (maybe not even networked), now a BBC2 staple after a few years off.

The New Avengers, possibly - was the first big series for Joanna Lumley - although I couldn’t say if it was a big a hit as it’s predecessor in terms of ratings.


There's also Men Behaving Badly , which wasn't a big hit for ITV when it first aired but was then picked up by the BBC who replaced Harry Enfield with Neil Morrissey and it really took off.

Ab Fab was not quite the same situation. It was a massive hit initially, winning BAFTAS from the word go, and it was Jennifer Saunders's choice to end the original run when she did whilst it was still in its prime. It was then also her decision to bring it back years later after another show she piloted with the same cast ( Mirrorball ) failed to capture the same magic. IMO The BBC would bite her hand off if she ever offered them any more at any time, even though the quality of the show has diminished with each revival. I'd also argue that the OP's claim that it was bigger the second time round isn't quite true. It was always big, I think the BBC just pushed it more as it went on as they knew by then it was a surefire hit. Jonathan Creek sits in the same category really - always big, and I'm sure David Renwick knows there'd be no question if he offered another new episode to the BBC.

For the Welsh amongst us, S4C's biggest ever sitcom C'mon Midffild was revived in 2004 - 10 years after the "final" episode aired. IIRC It got very mixed reviews despite the original series being universally celebrated.


I believe Harry was replaced or left after series one, series two was still on ITV.
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BR
Brekkie
Frasier is probably my favourite US sitcom of all time - enjoyed it much more than Friends and probably the last US sitcom I saw virtually every episode of.

However I've zero interest in a revival nearly 20 years on, especially if you have to sign up to yet another streaming service to watch it.
NT
Night Thoughts
Flux posted:


There's also Men Behaving Badly , which wasn't a big hit for ITV when it first aired but was then picked up by the BBC who replaced Harry Enfield with Neil Morrissey and it really took off.


Not forgetting the late 60s BBC pilot Very Happy

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SW
Steve Williams
Sort of a revival but the pilot of Only Fools and Horses bombed when they showed the pilot. But due to a strike and a schedule gap in prime time it was shown again in a different time slot a few months/year later, became a hit and the rest is history.


This isn't quite right, there wasn't a broadcast pilot, but the first series in 1981 did pretty middling business, John Sullivan used to say that only his family ever watched it. It got a second series, though, which also garnered modest ratings, but it was a repeat of that series in the summer of 1983 where it really started to pull in big audiences and the next series later that year was a big hit. But that was a success via word of mouth, rather than any particular revival.

There are other examples of sitcoms that have probably fared better in their repeat runs than first time round. The first two series of One Foot In The Grave in 1990 did alright business for BBC1, but nothing special, but there was a repeat run of both series in the summer of 1991 where it really took off, it was the first time I'd seen it and David Renwick has said it was a very important repeat run as it gained it a new audience and the critics who had slagged off the earliest episodes were able to reconsider. And then the next series was much-anticipated and when it started to pull in really huge figures.

The best revival I can think of is Catchphrase. 35 years after it first aired, it still gets 5m on a Saturday at 6pm. I believe it’s also the longest running Gameshow in the UK.


I don't think that's right (I'm sorry I'm spoiling this thread for everyone). Catchphrase began in 1986, but it hasn't run continuously since then, so it's behind Family Fortunes, Mastermind and the longest-running, University Challenge. The longest continually-running game show would presumably be Countdown.

I know the pilot of Catchphrase was a complete technical disaster which took hours to film, and Brian Conley was the warm-up, who had to keep going for ages and everyone was very impressed, and that kick-started his career.

Flux posted:
Ab Fab was not quite the same situation. It was a massive hit initially, winning BAFTAS from the word go, and it was Jennifer Saunders's choice to end the original run when she did whilst it was still in its prime. It was then also her decision to bring it back years later after another show she piloted with the same cast ( Mirrorball ) failed to capture the same magic. IMO The BBC would bite her hand off if she ever offered them any more at any time, even though the quality of the show has diminished with each revival. I'd also argue that the OP's claim that it was bigger the second time round isn't quite true. It was always big, I think the BBC just pushed it more as it went on as they knew by then it was a surefire hit.


Yes, that's right. Mirrorball was an interesting show, as you say Ab Fab had officially ended, but Mirrorball was a new sitcom with the same cast playing different characters. But after she wrote it, Jennifer Saunders kept on coming up with new ideas for Ab Fab, so decided to make more Ab Fab instead.

As you say, it was a huge success straight from the start, although I would argue it was never as good as the first series as it stopped parodying the fashion industry and started being a part of it, with all the celebrity cameos. There was a great review by David Quantick in Q when the original series came out on VHS, saying you could tell what had changed by the packaging, as the Series 1 sleeve was ridiculously gaudy and Saunders and Lumley were clearly meant to look ridiculous, whereas Series 2 looked almost tasteful and you could tell they were actually quite enjoying it.

I believe Harry was replaced or left after series one, series two was still on ITV.


That's right, Harry Enfield did Series 1 and then left, saying they should get a proper actor in. Actually I always preferred the first ITV series (I didn't watch it at the time, I bought the VHS years later) to the second, as Harry seems quite a likeable character, whereas at the start Neil Morrissey is a right cliched hippy idiot. The big problem is his character is too similar to Martin Clunes'. As you say, Series 2 was with Morrissey (and shown before Boon, also starring Neil Morrissey) but it didn't do much and Thames lost their franchise so that was it for eighteen months.
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MD
mdtauk
Frasier is interesting as the show was a spin off for a character from Cheers. Mostly the same creators and writers, but taking the character to a new place, new scenario, and seeing how they adapted.

Now this is not likely to be bringing the same characters back to the situation they were in 20 years ago. It is more likely to be seeing where Frasier Crane has found himself 20 years on from his move from Seattle to Chicago (when he was supposed to be going to San Francisco)

Quote:
"We're shopping for the right idea because I don’t think we should just pick up where we left off. Will and Grace has done a continuation, which is like the next day after they were last on the air – they picked up right where they left off. I don't think that's appropriate for Frasier.

"He was leaving town at the end of the show previously, he was going to go and explore his life in Chicago with his new lady love. Whether that went badly or it went swimmingly, who knows, these are all themes we need to settle on and figure out what he's going to do next.


Only Kelsey Grammer is confirmed right now, so we may not get Niles, Daphne, or Ros (although I'd love to see them all return, and Peri Gilpin at least has talked about this show definitely happening.) And as this has been a project Kelsey has talked about for a few years now, we know it will acknowledge the passing of John Mahoney who played Frasier's Dad.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a26835452/kelsey-grammer-frasier-crane-revival-pay-tribute-late-john-mahoney/

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/frasier-star-peri-gilpin-says-a-reboot-of-the-classic-sitcom-is-definitely-happening.html/
JA
james-2001
I'd argue despite being a spin-off, Frasier is a very different show to Cheers. Even Frasier's character is different in many ways, I guess at least partly because he was the main character rather than just one part of an ensemble so he needed to be able to carry the show.
FL
Flux
Frasier is interesting as the show was a spin off for a character from Cheers. Mostly the same creators and writers, but taking the character to a new place, new scenario, and seeing how they adapted.

Now this is not likely to be bringing the same characters back to the situation they were in 20 years ago. It is more likely to be seeing where Frasier Crane has found himself 20 years on from his move from Seattle to Chicago (when he was supposed to be going to San Francisco)

Quote:
"We're shopping for the right idea because I don’t think we should just pick up where we left off. Will and Grace has done a continuation, which is like the next day after they were last on the air – they picked up right where they left off. I don't think that's appropriate for Frasier.

"He was leaving town at the end of the show previously, he was going to go and explore his life in Chicago with his new lady love. Whether that went badly or it went swimmingly, who knows, these are all themes we need to settle on and figure out what he's going to do next.


Only Kelsey Grammer is confirmed right now, so we may not get Niles, Daphne, or Ros (although I'd love to see them all return, and Peri Gilpin at least has talked about this show definitely happening.) And as this has been a project Kelsey has talked about for a few years now, we know it will acknowledge the passing of John Mahoney who played Frasier's Dad.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a26835452/kelsey-grammer-frasier-crane-revival-pay-tribute-late-john-mahoney/

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/frasier-star-peri-gilpin-says-a-reboot-of-the-classic-sitcom-is-definitely-happening.html/


Will & Grace was a continuation of sorts in the sense that it was the same characters in the same place, but it wasn't quite a "next day" continuation as that quote puts it. The original finale really drew a heavy line under the whole thing with
Will and Grace falling out, not speaking for 20 years, and meeting again when their grown up children bump into each other at college.
And when it returned, the showrunners made the decision to wipe away all the baggage of that episode, as well as certain pregnancies and plot points which had been introduced earlier in the 8th Season so they could realign the show more with how it's remembered. It was explained in a throwaway line where it's implied Karen Walker dreamt the whole thing when she spaced out.

If you ever want to try and make sense of the show as a whole, there's now technically an unclear point in the original run where we start watching Karen's dream rather than reality and what did and didn't happen is now all rather grey. It was the right move for that show though, as nobody wanted to watch an older Grace being a bad mother or middle aged Will getting over a divorce. Frasier will probably gain from moving the whole scenario on.
IN
Interceptor
I think there needs to be a line drawn between programmes which were revived and hit programmes which continued despite initial low ratings and/or threat/actual cancellation, otherwise sleeper hits like The Office (both UK and US) and TV Burp end up meeting the definition.
JO
Jonwo
I'd argue despite being a spin-off, Frasier is a very different show to Cheers. Even Frasier's character is different in many ways, I guess at least partly because he was the main character rather than just one part of an ensemble so he needed to be able to carry the show.

It's interesting that Frasier managed to be a success but something like Joey was a two season wonder.
VM
VMPhil
Jonwo posted:
I'd argue despite being a spin-off, Frasier is a very different show to Cheers. Even Frasier's character is different in many ways, I guess at least partly because he was the main character rather than just one part of an ensemble so he needed to be able to carry the show.

It's interesting that Frasier managed to be a success but something like Joey was a two season wonder.

Frasier had likeable supporting characters. Joey did not.

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